JeSTeRH4CK3D 2017-01-25 08:45:15
hahahaha funny you say that. i run that as well
JeSTeRH4CK3D 2017-01-25 08:45:34
just for my laptop i run ubuntu
roothorick 2017-01-25 08:45:47
IMO, unless you're a national security organization of some time, PMC, etc. OpenBSD is overkill
roothorick 2017-01-25 08:45:52
*of some kind
JeSTeRH4CK3D 2017-01-25 08:46:18
not really, its still underkill in my view
JeSTeRH4CK3D 2017-01-25 08:46:36
never have to much security
ducasse 2017-01-25 08:46:54
!ot
ubottu 2017-01-25 08:46:54
#ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please register with NickServ (see /msg ubottu !register) and use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks!
roothorick 2017-01-25 08:47:21
Ubuntu is way more secure than it looks like at first glance. Worms rarely, if ever, target Linux, so all you really need to worry about is manually-orchestrated direct attacks
roothorick 2017-01-25 08:47:37
not a legitimate concern for home systems IMO
conley 2017-01-25 08:47:48
I found a PAM-related bug that i just squashed, let's see if that effects my MySQL config
conley 2017-01-25 08:47:51
problem
JeSTeRH4CK3D 2017-01-25 08:48:02
and SKids that run MSF
JeSTeRH4CK3D 2017-01-25 08:48:14
lol oh and dumb end users
roothorick 2017-01-25 08:48:14
well, I shouldn't say that
JeSTeRH4CK3D 2017-01-25 08:48:15
:"\
roothorick 2017-01-25 08:48:40
there's worms out there that target vulnerable versions of Apache, SSH, etc
JeSTeRH4CK3D 2017-01-25 08:48:43
thats why i made that script dude for the dumb end user
JeSTeRH4CK3D 2017-01-25 08:48:51
phpbot
JeSTeRH4CK3D 2017-01-25 08:48:57
that was what i was saying
roothorick 2017-01-25 08:49:14
but the simpler, more hardened software stack on Linux and rapid response of security maintainers make them far less of a threat than they would be on, say, Windows
JeSTeRH4CK3D 2017-01-25 08:49:15
phpMyAdmin is not setup right i could own you
JeSTeRH4CK3D 2017-01-25 08:49:31
if you did setup right your good
roothorick 2017-01-25 08:49:39
yep, the weakest link is ALWAYS the humans behind the keyboards
conley 2017-01-25 08:49:50
hell yes.
JeSTeRH4CK3D 2017-01-25 08:49:51
yes
conley 2017-01-25 08:50:03
the apt-get version still freezes, but the package i downloaded accepted the password
JeSTeRH4CK3D 2017-01-25 08:50:28
if spt-get freezes try apt instead
JeSTeRH4CK3D 2017-01-25 08:50:34
grrr
JeSTeRH4CK3D 2017-01-25 08:50:36
apt-get*
JeSTeRH4CK3D 2017-01-25 08:51:05
some prefer apt over apt-get
JeSTeRH4CK3D 2017-01-25 08:51:12
same thing sort of
roothorick 2017-01-25 08:53:03
what is the difference exactly, anyway
tomreyn 2017-01-25 08:53:28
the difference between #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic?
JeSTeRH4CK3D 2017-01-25 08:53:30
i think just the layout
JeSTeRH4CK3D 2017-01-25 08:53:42
i dont think the code is very diff.
conley 2017-01-25 08:55:51
JeSTeRH4CK3D: I'm still really not sure of the difference
k1l_ 2017-01-25 08:56:49
apt and apt-get are similar frontends to the same libs. its just that the usage from apt-get,apt-cache etc has changed in the years and apt is not merging them and changing them to todays usage
JeSTeRH4CK3D 2017-01-25 08:56:49
conley: very minor, mainly look
JeSTeRH4CK3D 2017-01-25 08:56:50
lol
conley 2017-01-25 08:56:54
repositories and packages and the like are still black magic to me
conley 2017-01-25 08:57:08
what does "aptitude" refer to
conley 2017-01-25 08:57:15
is dpkg one of those libs?
nacc 2017-01-25 08:57:32
conley: it's another frontend
JeSTeRH4CK3D 2017-01-25 08:57:38
dpkg is like the main line for everything
conley 2017-01-25 08:57:39
ah
nacc 2017-01-25 08:57:43
conley: aptitude is, that is
conley 2017-01-25 08:57:50
sweet
conley 2017-01-25 08:58:05
i like to think of myself as at least more tech savvy than the average bear but that shit still confuses me very much
JeSTeRH4CK3D 2017-01-25 08:58:13
just a bunch of frontended stuff
k1l_ 2017-01-25 08:58:15
aptitude is a nother frontend to the libe. it tried to put some more logic into solving dependency issues, but they are not stored in a way apt or others can work with.
k1l_ 2017-01-25 08:58:24
conley: what is your issue at all?
conley 2017-01-25 08:58:39
no issue anymore, just curious
conley 2017-01-25 08:59:08
........nevermind, new issue
k1l_ 2017-01-25 08:59:31
using apt when apt-get doesnt work is not a real solving strategy
JeSTeRH4CK3D 2017-01-25 08:59:34
you will notice ubuntu/debian has alot of redundant frontended apps
conley 2017-01-25 09:00:00
iRedMail installer hanging again, this time at Creating new user openldap... Password:
conley 2017-01-25 09:00:06
i'm gonna throw this laptop out the window lmao
JeSTeRH4CK3D 2017-01-25 09:00:10
just based on preference
arooni 2017-01-25 09:01:09
how can i make the default editor that i get with sudo crontab -e ... vim and NOT nano ?
JeSTeRH4CK3D 2017-01-25 09:01:11
you need to reinstall, you have been told that by more than me.
k1l_ 2017-01-25 09:01:12
conley: hanging? some installation routines need some user input
conley 2017-01-25 09:01:40
k1l_: yes, but it stops responding
conley 2017-01-25 09:01:47
echoes characters in plain text, doesn't continue after pressing enter
ducasse 2017-01-25 09:01:53
arooni: set EDITOR env variable
OerHeks 2017-01-25 09:02:05
" If you have already installed MySQL, OpenLDAP, Postfix, Dovecot etc then iRedmail will overwrite all files and configuration of existing components."... love that iredmail
arooni 2017-01-25 09:02:09
ducasse: crontab -e gives me vim; but sudo crontab -e gives me nano
nacc 2017-01-25 09:02:10
conley: i think it's 100% a bug in their script(s)?
nacc 2017-01-25 09:02:21
conley: probably better off asking them what their script does, or debug it yourself.
conley 2017-01-25 09:02:26
i reckon so
JeSTeRH4CK3D 2017-01-25 09:02:32
conley: do you get error messages at all?
conley 2017-01-25 09:02:42
JeSTeRH4CK3D: nope, just stops. doesn't even respond to interrupts
ducasse 2017-01-25 09:02:59
arooni: because crontab gets called from a root shell with sudo
JeSTeRH4CK3D 2017-01-25 09:03:09
conley: that is very strange
arooni 2017-01-25 09:03:18
so do i need do taht command after running say sudo -i
arooni 2017-01-25 09:03:20
?
conley 2017-01-25 09:03:29
yeah. it would make sense to assume that it's a problem with their script, but it's shown up in two separate places
conley 2017-01-25 09:03:38
and the first one went away after i fixed my pam.d configuration
nacc 2017-01-25 09:03:51
conley: what did you have to fix in your pam.d configuration?
ducasse 2017-01-25 09:04:01
arooni: try 'sudo update-alternatives --config editor'
nacc 2017-01-25 09:04:02
conley: ok, it's possible you've fubar'd your system, too, yes :)
JeSTeRH4CK3D 2017-01-25 09:04:11
conley: what is the script you are using?
conley 2017-01-25 09:04:17
password required pam_unix.so use_authtok
conley 2017-01-25 09:04:24
use_authtok prevented me from doing anything with root password
arooni 2017-01-25 09:04:52
ducasse: switched it but i still see nano for sudo crontab -e ; maybe i have to restart?
k1l_ 2017-01-25 09:05:45
arooni: source it or r elogin
conley 2017-01-25 09:05:48
eh? i tried it again and got further this time
conley 2017-01-25 09:06:24
yea, i'm getting more ldap prompts. i guess that was trivial... hopefully...
arooni 2017-01-25 09:06:39
gotcha thanks folks
JeSTeRH4CK3D 2017-01-25 09:07:11
conley: without error messages we are as clueless as you so i hope it works now
conley 2017-01-25 09:07:22
user creations have been successful, that was where it hung last time. clearly it's a problem with passwd related functions, but, knock on wood, it's working for now
conley 2017-01-25 09:07:29
thank you for your help, by the way, y'all
JeSTeRH4CK3D 2017-01-25 09:08:53
conley: hope all works out for you
conley 2017-01-25 09:08:59
many thanks
ling 2017-01-25 09:09:13
how to fix with "no mountable file"
oslozorin 2017-01-25 09:09:30
bonsoir
tomreyn 2017-01-25 09:09:51
hi ling, hi oslozorin
tomreyn 2017-01-25 09:10:05
ling: please provide more context. what is the command you are runjing?
tomreyn 2017-01-25 09:10:10
*running
LMGR 2017-01-25 09:10:46
Loud-Mouthed Gucci Revolutionary has joined
conley 2017-01-25 09:10:48
script completed (mostly) successfully
JeSTeRH4CK3D 2017-01-25 09:11:09
conley: good, hope it works now.
conley 2017-01-25 09:11:24
a few miscellaneous packages failed but i guess i can tackle them independently
conley 2017-01-25 09:11:34
thank you. i've spent way too much time getting this damn mail server to work
jnewt 2017-01-25 09:11:39
trying to boot from usb disk, and i get an error about nouveau gr: failed to load fecs_inst. i found someone that was having the same issue, and removing secondary monitors fixed it. I had 3 monitors, now i've removed all but one, and still get the same error.
JeSTeRH4CK3D 2017-01-25 09:11:52
conley: mail servers are always fun.
Guest57053 2017-01-25 09:12:19
when i open ubuntu, it shows no mountable system
jnewt 2017-01-25 09:12:52
i get to the point where i can choose either live or install (couple of other options too), but then i get that error
JeSTeRH4CK3D 2017-01-25 09:13:25
Guest57053: when you boot before grub or after?
JeSTeRH4CK3D 2017-01-25 09:13:30
i know grub is dated
JeSTeRH4CK3D 2017-01-25 09:13:43
jnewt: what is the error?
LMGR 2017-01-25 09:16:23
worlds biggest maximum security to start soon:Trump: Construction on US-Mexico border wall to start soon
LMGR 2017-01-25 09:16:45
and we all heaved a big sigh of relief
Pici 2017-01-25 09:16:57
LMGR: Please stop, this channel is for Ubuntu support only.
LMGR 2017-01-25 09:17:34
the wall is in support of ubuntu too
JeSTeRH4CK3D 2017-01-25 09:17:37
Ubuntu support when the users respond back.
JeSTeRH4CK3D 2017-01-25 09:18:16
jnewt: did you get a read out of the error?
ioria 2017-01-25 09:18:46
LMGR, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(philosophy)
ragecraze 2017-01-25 09:18:50
guys if i make a partition of 30gb on my computer and install linux on it, can i still keep windows 10? and if so, how can i change between both when i want to?
JeSTeRH4CK3D 2017-01-25 09:19:18
you would have to install a dual boot
rypervenche 2017-01-25 09:19:20
ragecraze: Yep, you can. You can do a dual-boot set-up. You will have a choice when you boot as to which OS to start.
JeSTeRH4CK3D 2017-01-25 09:19:33
^^^^^^^^^^^
ragecraze 2017-01-25 09:19:45
rypervenche how can i set a dual-boot?
ducasse 2017-01-25 09:20:10
!dualboot | ragecraze
ubottu 2017-01-25 09:20:11
ragecraze: Dual boot instructions: x86/AMD64: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DualBoot/Windows - Macs: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro https://help.ubuntu.com/community/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot
ragecraze 2017-01-25 09:20:59
thanks alot!
JeSTeRH4CK3D 2017-01-25 09:21:15
in the XP days that wouldn't have even been an issue
JeSTeRH4CK3D 2017-01-25 09:23:47
root2: one should never join irc as su or root, so i am told.
jnewt 2017-01-25 09:23:50
JeSTeRH4CK3D, Yes, nouveau 0000:02:00.0: gr: failed to load fecs_inst
JeSTeRH4CK3D 2017-01-25 09:24:41
jnewt: driver conflict
jnewt 2017-01-25 09:24:44
then several of these: noveau 0000:02:00.0: disp: child 0 mthd 0080 data 00000000 1005080 00000004
jnewt 2017-01-25 09:24:57
JeSTeRH4CK3D, How do i fix it?
JeSTeRH4CK3D 2017-01-25 09:25:08
out of my league
JeSTeRH4CK3D 2017-01-25 09:25:15
sorry
ioria 2017-01-25 09:25:49
jnewt, try nomodeset (F6 option)
skiy 2017-01-25 09:26:32
hey, if I install "server" edition, can I do a "apt-get dist-upgrade" to the desktop version ?
root2 2017-01-25 09:26:34
JesTerH4CK3D never knew
skiy 2017-01-25 09:26:55
I only have 700 mb CD's so not big enough to burn whole desktop edition
Pici 2017-01-25 09:27:19
skiy: well, thats not what dist-upgrade does... but you can install the ubuntu-desktop package to get you that.
LMGR 2017-01-25 09:27:21
chinese new year is nearly upon us, is ubuntu support prepared for that?
ioria 2017-01-25 09:27:52
skiy, server will ask you if yiou want a De ... you can say yes or install after
skiy 2017-01-25 09:28:26
ioria very many thanks
ioria 2017-01-25 09:28:40
skiy, you're welcom
donofrio 2017-01-25 09:30:35
has /dev/random changed in the last year
ppf 2017-01-25 09:31:09
donofrio: in what way?
Guma 2017-01-25 09:31:18
Hello I am trying to cross compile ncurses 6 to aarm64 on 16.04 x64 LTS. I have my aarm64 tool chain setup and I can build small test apps and run it on target. Now when I try to build ncurses I get so and a libs which I do static link to my test app. When trying to run on target I get this message "Error opening terminal: xterm-256color"
Guma 2017-01-25 09:31:38
Any one idea what is going on?
donofrio 2017-01-25 09:31:48
unable to complete the dd command when making certs
k1l_ 2017-01-25 09:33:10
donofrio: not enough entropy?
donofrio 2017-01-25 09:33:27
k1l_, "seems like it"
donofrio 2017-01-25 09:33:36
k1l_, but how to test?
k1l_ 2017-01-25 09:33:54
donofrio: just use your system so it can collect more entropy
donofrio 2017-01-25 09:34:16
they are 'in use' uptime of a month on a daily driver workstation
k1l_ 2017-01-25 09:35:27
hmm, you could try urandom instead of random
ducasse 2017-01-25 09:35:37
Guma: you probably lack a termcap entry for xterm-256color, try to set TERM to just xterm
ppf 2017-01-25 09:36:05
donofrio: that would be the wiser choice anyways, if you're making certs from this
jnewt 2017-01-25 09:37:20
Ok, I finally got into the install, and i'm trying to install alongside windows. How do i determine where the bootloader should go (or can i just continue to use the windows 7 bootloader and add ubuntu to it's menu somehow?)
k1l_ 2017-01-25 09:37:35
donofrio: on virtual servers it doesnt work at all with random.
donofrio 2017-01-25 09:38:50
k1l_, yah thought of that, but ubuntu workstation is physical....so we're going to try urandom
jnewt 2017-01-25 09:38:57
i have /dev/nvme /dev/nvme0n1 with partitions p1(win loader) p2 (windows), p3 (/) p4 (/home). default shows /dev/nvme
donofrio 2017-01-25 09:39:11
but /dev/random that is like bedrock made before cat....
akik 2017-01-25 09:40:55
jnewt: it's possible to add the boot sector to windows boot loader but usually people use grub to boot windows