CIclops 2017-01-29 21:45:09
ikevin, sounds good, does dd do all that?
ikevin 2017-01-29 21:45:39
CIclops, it do a blocks copy
CIclops 2017-01-29 21:45:52
ok
CIclops 2017-01-29 21:47:50
is there an easier program to use
noc_ 2017-01-29 21:47:53
if there are bad sectors on the partition, won't dd fail with IO error at some point?
alkisg 2017-01-29 21:48:39
There's ddrescue which retries bad blocks a few times only, and continues on errors
ikevin 2017-01-29 21:48:50
noc_, it depend if IO come from FS error or hw error
ikevin 2017-01-29 21:49:02
CIclops, you can use rsync too
alkisg 2017-01-29 21:49:19
i don't think dd reads file systems, it reads blocks...
ikevin 2017-01-29 21:49:41
alkisg, that why fs errors are not a problem for dd :)
alkisg 2017-01-29 21:49:50
right
sirv 2017-01-29 21:50:53
but that is not enough, the new disk needs MBR also
ikevin 2017-01-29 21:51:25
sirv, it depend if dd is used to copy full disk or only one parition
ikevin 2017-01-29 21:51:28
partition*
CIclops 2017-01-29 21:51:42
the new disk has an MBR
ikevin 2017-01-29 21:52:06
CIclops, does the new disk contain any data partition?
CIclops 2017-01-29 21:52:31
i wanted to install the system on the new disk but somehow it ended up on the old one
CIclops 2017-01-29 21:53:20
ikevin, yes one big partition and a swap
sirv 2017-01-29 21:53:34
clops u say u have 14.04 .. why not just do a fresh 16.10 install ? u have any important data or configuration on the old system
anddam 2017-01-29 21:53:40
is it possible to have python3 in 16.10 to be 3.6?
ikevin 2017-01-29 21:53:42
CIclops, dd if=/dev/old_disk of=/dev/new_disk will copy the entire disk (partition table and mbr are included), so this will drop existing partition/datas
midnight 2017-01-29 21:53:49
hello
anddam 2017-01-29 21:53:51
I mean in a "legit" way
CIclops 2017-01-29 21:54:08
sirv yes i was thinking about that
anddam 2017-01-29 21:54:09
I see python3-minimal is just relying on python3.5-minimal and there's no alternatives for it
alkisg 2017-01-29 21:55:00
CIclops: before you do that though, make sure to disable swap in use, e.g. swapoff -a
CIclops 2017-01-29 21:55:00
sirv, config data yes ... everything else is backed up
sirv 2017-01-29 21:56:14
i just like to install newest version always ... if any problem occurs i install newest version
sirv 2017-01-29 21:56:52
i do not like old versions
sirv 2017-01-29 21:56:56
i like newest versions
noc_ 2017-01-29 21:57:14
anddam, why would you want that
CIclops 2017-01-29 21:57:31
sirv, so i boot 16 from USB and install on new disk ... take old disk offline in BIOS?
sirv 2017-01-29 21:59:11
clops > it could work like that, yes . you could leave old disk enabled also, and in bios select new disk as boot source
anddam 2017-01-29 21:59:13
noc_: why not?
aaran 2017-01-29 21:59:20
Hi, trying to run lightdm-gtk-greeter but I am getting the error ** (lightdm-gtk-greeter:31556): WARNING **: Unable to determine socket to daemon
sirv 2017-01-29 21:59:34
clops > and you could install from CD
geirha 2017-01-29 21:59:36
anddam: The downside of a stable release cycle is that package versions are frozen, so you won't get the newest stable version of every package. The upside of a stable release cycle is that all package versions are frozen, avoiding surprises by new features introduced in newer packages
anddam 2017-01-29 21:59:44
noc_: there are new formatted string literals, new type hinting annotation and async generators
sirv 2017-01-29 22:00:56
clops > or use 16.04 it has some long term support if u do not like to reinstall often
anddam 2017-01-29 22:01:24
geirha: I reckon that, so if the new apackage doesn't introduce new bugs it "could just work" but it's not tested or endorsed by the system
anddam 2017-01-29 22:01:51
geirha: btw I can install the package so I can call python3.6 and I'm already there, just wondering if there was a proper way to do that
anddam 2017-01-29 22:02:24
I hve to say, as much as I don't like systemd, the user experience with this 16.04 I installed onto a fresh new laptop has been *amazing*
sirv 2017-01-29 22:03:14
anddam the boot speed ?
anddam 2017-01-29 22:03:17
seamlessy working of *everything* I could think of, so far
geirha 2017-01-29 22:03:34
anddam: Ah, I assumed python3.6 wasn't included in 16.10, but I see that it is. Then the typical way of making it the default python3 would be with update-alternatives(1)
anddam 2017-01-29 22:03:54
sirv: I dont' care much about that, it's maybe 5 seconds or less to the DM login prompt
anddam 2017-01-29 22:04:15
but I come from an habit of never shutting the computer down on macbookpro
anddam 2017-01-29 22:04:37
geirha: python is not managed by alternatives, I checked that and that's why I came asking
sirv 2017-01-29 22:04:46
anddam when first came in contact with systemd i was surprised by the boot speed .. before it was like 30 seconds, now like 7 seconds
anddam 2017-01-29 22:05:14
also python3-minimal explicitly depends on python3.5-minimal so python3.6-minimal would not satisfy that
neopsyche 2017-01-29 22:05:15
hi all, i have an issue with hard drive space.. in home folder there are around 77 gigs shown used.. but when checking the system for that folder.. the user home folder.. it only shows about 4 gigs used in baobab?
anddam 2017-01-29 22:05:40
sirv: I cannot get the hang of unit files structure, it seems overly complex for my needs
alkisg 2017-01-29 22:05:49
neopsyche: it's possible that you don't have access to some of those, try with sudo baobab dir
anddam 2017-01-29 22:05:55
is this "everything just works" an effect of Ubuntu's work or GNOME?
neopsyche 2017-01-29 22:05:57
yes i tried with sudo also
neopsyche 2017-01-29 22:06:07
let me try again
geirha 2017-01-29 22:06:09
anddam: Hm. I see. Then I'm as unsure as you :)
alkisg 2017-01-29 22:06:11
neopsyche: what's the output of sudo du -sh /home/* ?
CIclops 2017-01-29 22:06:15
sirv, new disk is bootable but the system is on the old (bad) drive
anddam 2017-01-29 22:06:24
geirha: I'll leave as it is
anddam 2017-01-29 22:06:46
I don't *need* python3 -> python3.6, I can type the two extra chars
neopsyche 2017-01-29 22:06:55
73G /home/myusername
neopsyche 2017-01-29 22:07:17
alkisg: 73G /home/myusername
tech-guy 2017-01-29 22:07:24
would need some support too, but don't want to bother ppl in the main channel
alkisg 2017-01-29 22:07:35
neopsyche: and sudo baobab /home/myusername, reports only 4?
sirv 2017-01-29 22:07:47
clclops > then maybe disable old disk in bios, u can enable it later after the installation
alkisg 2017-01-29 22:07:59
tech-guy: ask in the channel, generally in irc people don't like private messages
sirv 2017-01-29 22:08:02
clops . if u need to get some data from the old system
yuuiubuntu 2017-01-29 22:08:44
Hello.
PureVi 2017-01-29 22:09:09
Hi
Xz 2017-01-29 22:09:23
khfeng_: ok, so my SSD that's internal to laptop has GPT partition table and it boots fine (win10). Next my Ubuntu-LIVE USB has partition table called 'mac' in gparted. It boots fine as well. Last one, USB with fully installed Ubuntu on it has partition table called 'msdos' in gparted - that one doesn't boot
geirha 2017-01-29 22:09:30
neopsyche: sudo du -haxd1 "$HOME" | sort -h
ikevin 2017-01-29 22:09:33
neopsyche, do you include hidden files/dir when checking space?
CIclops 2017-01-29 22:09:35
sirv, i checked BIOS new disk is the boot disk but system is on old disk
Xz 2017-01-29 22:09:57
khfeng_: should I do partitions ahead (e.g. GPT) and then just install ubuntu on it without partitioning anymore?
tech-guy 2017-01-29 22:10:01
ok thanks. I have 16.04 installed on my x220. Dual screens via adapter are detected, but only show black screen. i was thinking about installing the intel graphics drivers updater, but 01.org shows me the 403 error
sirv 2017-01-29 22:10:30
clops > so what u want to do ? do a fresh 16.04 installation on new disk right ?
yuuiubuntu 2017-01-29 22:11:57
I want add package to official ubuntu repository.How can I do it?
alkisg 2017-01-29 22:12:27
tech-guy: did you try to lower the resolution? because some times adapters make the system mis-read the monitor information data, edid...
sirv 2017-01-29 22:12:57
yuu what package ?
alkisg 2017-01-29 22:13:54
Xz: it sounds like your laptop only allows uefi boots, not bios/csm boots - you can configure that in the system setup, or you can install ubuntu to usb in uefi mode
Xz 2017-01-29 22:14:07
alkisg: that's what I did
akik 2017-01-29 22:14:08
yuuiubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Upstream
yuuiubuntu 2017-01-29 22:14:13
It's about linux kernel.
CIclops 2017-01-29 22:14:17
sirv, booted 14.01.1 which has the system on the good disk :)
Xz 2017-01-29 22:14:19
alkisg: it's weird, because I can get USB-LIVE to boot in secure mode
Xz 2017-01-29 22:14:29
alkisg: and my full install (USB-full) doesn't boot
Xz 2017-01-29 22:14:40
alkisg: to be honest EFI partitions look different between the two
alkisg 2017-01-29 22:14:45
Xz: what's the output of `sudo parted -l`, wrt the usb disk?
alkisg 2017-01-29 22:15:15
Xz: the normal partition table for uefi systems is gpt, not mbr
aaran 2017-01-29 22:15:21
Hi, trying to run lightdm-gtk-greeter but I am getting the error ** (lightdm-gtk-greeter:31556): WARNING **: Unable to determine socket to daemon
alkisg 2017-01-29 22:15:34
Xz: is it a usb disk or a usb stick?
neopsyche 2017-01-29 22:15:38
alksig: no in baobab GUI it shows 70+ gig or so .. but.. the subdirectories only show around 4 gigs of files.. where are the other gigs?
Xz 2017-01-29 22:15:43
alkisg: all USB sticks
bazhang 2017-01-29 22:15:46
yuuiubuntu, what about the linux kernel, give us exact info
sirv 2017-01-29 22:15:49
aaran why u try to run that ?
yuuiubuntu 2017-01-29 22:15:50
I want to add package to official ubutu repository
geirha 2017-01-29 22:16:11
neopsyche: hidden files, probably
neopsyche 2017-01-29 22:16:16
ok checking
alkisg 2017-01-29 22:16:17
neopsyche: possibly in hidden subdirectories that start with "."
aaran 2017-01-29 22:16:22
I want to use webkit greeter and test it before I logout to make sure that its not gonna lock me out
yuuiubuntu 2017-01-29 22:16:28
all package of linux kernel.
alkisg 2017-01-29 22:16:30
Xz: ok, the output of parted -l?
geirha 2017-01-29 22:16:39
neopsyche: the command I suggested should show them
ducasse 2017-01-29 22:16:45
yuuiubuntu: the best approach would be to get it added to debian, so it can get synced in the next ubuntu release and all debian derivatives get access to it.
bazhang 2017-01-29 22:16:57
yuuiubuntu, you want to add your own custom kernels to ubuntu official repos?
Xz 2017-01-29 22:17:01
alkisg: http://pastebin.com/hwW62bM8
aaran 2017-01-29 22:17:01
trying to get this working https://github.com/FallingSnow/lightdm-webkit2-material2
neopsyche 2017-01-29 22:17:09
OH HOLY #**# thanks people.. its .xsesson-errors.old!
Xz 2017-01-29 22:17:15
alkisg: that's on the USB stick with full Ubuntu installation - the one that doesn't boot
geirha 2017-01-29 22:17:16
haha
neopsyche 2017-01-29 22:17:21
68.4GB backup file!!?!? WHY!?
geirha 2017-01-29 22:17:41
neopsyche: I guess you had A LOT of errors at some point
neopsyche 2017-01-29 22:17:45
sure...
Xz 2017-01-29 22:17:48
alkisg: wait, it's not, sorry
neopsyche 2017-01-29 22:17:55
but i still dont know why lol.. someone call skully and mulder.
anddam 2017-01-29 22:17:58
the only big drawback so far with being on linux is actually a Google's fault, they don't offer linux versino of their desktop clients
Xz 2017-01-29 22:18:01
alkisg: the one you have is from internal SSD
geirha 2017-01-29 22:18:02
tail .xsession-errors.old
anddam 2017-01-29 22:18:06
for instance Drive
yuuiubuntu 2017-01-29 22:18:07
yes.
alkisg 2017-01-29 22:18:13
Xz: yup, waiting for the correct one...
bazhang 2017-01-29 22:18:22
yuuiubuntu, why would you want to do that
aaran 2017-01-29 22:18:24
any advice?
neopsyche 2017-01-29 22:18:37
this thing is only using an 128GB SSD.. so that really freaked me out for a couple of days now.
Xz 2017-01-29 22:18:52
alkisg: http://pastebin.com/xKFmFURS
sirv 2017-01-29 22:19:01
aaran how did u install it ? apt ?
Delphin 2017-01-29 22:19:02
hey guys, I have a problem with OpenVPN on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, for some reason when I go to the top "VPN Connections" and select one, it does not even try to connect, and disconnect is not highlightable either :/
neopsyche 2017-01-29 22:19:04
thanks very much all.. sometimes a person only needs others to speak to, to get a clear perspective. ;-)
anddam 2017-01-29 22:19:06
pip3 asks to be upgraded via pip3, if I do that will APT remove the file at later stage?
yuuiubuntu 2017-01-29 22:19:23
before answer that,I want to ask you what compiler is using to compiling the kernel?
sirv 2017-01-29 22:19:24
neopsyche question is why so many errors in that file
aaran 2017-01-29 22:19:27
did a git clone
alkisg 2017-01-29 22:19:31
xz, didn't you say that it has msdos partition table? that one has gpt too...
anddam 2017-01-29 22:19:37
i.e. does APT checksums installed files or once it registered /usr/bin/pip3 with a package it will remove on unisntall even if the file changed?
neopsyche 2017-01-29 22:19:45
Delphin.. did you install openvpn gui option I think there might be some fixes for that
neopsyche 2017-01-29 22:19:52
Delphin.. or its a config issue.
Xz 2017-01-29 22:19:55
alkisg: did I?
Xz 2017-01-29 22:20:07
alkisg: that's the USB-Live that boots fine: http://pastebin.com/Bp8nWqWa
neopsyche 2017-01-29 22:20:10
sirv: yes! I know.. i did install the new intel driver update recently
neopsyche 2017-01-29 22:20:17
sirv: intel hd3000
alkisg 2017-01-29 22:20:18
Xz, "Last one, USB with fully installed Ubuntu on it has partition table called 'msdos' in gparted - that one doesn't boot"
bazhang 2017-01-29 22:20:18
yuuiubuntu, you cannot get any sort of upload rights like that, not until you become a motu
yuuiubuntu 2017-01-29 22:20:41
what's motu?
sirv 2017-01-29 22:20:41
aaran dont worry u will not get locked out .. u have always the console accessible
tech-guy 2017-01-29 22:20:45
alkisg turning resultion down doesn't work. monitors seem like they're not even reacting to the hdmi at all
akik 2017-01-29 22:20:47
neopsyche: here's a command which looks for files greater than 1000 megs in your current dir "find . -size +1000M"
bazhang 2017-01-29 22:20:54
!motu | yuuiubuntu
ubottu 2017-01-29 22:20:54
yuuiubuntu: motu is short for Masters of the Universe. The brave souls who maintain the packages in the Universe section of Ubuntu. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
neopsyche 2017-01-29 22:20:56
well. anyhow.. haha good news is that my drive is now using 16.x gigs :-D
Xz 2017-01-29 22:21:05
alkisg: sorry, I tried installing on 2 USB sticks
Xz 2017-01-29 22:21:09
alkisg: the other one has msdos
aaran 2017-01-29 22:21:14
I assume if it fails with that command it would also fail at the real login screen ?
Delphin 2017-01-29 22:21:21
neopsyche: yeah I got network-manager-openvpn-gnome installed
Xz 2017-01-29 22:21:22
alkisg: the one you see is 64GB SanDisk with GPT
alkisg 2017-01-29 22:21:29
Xz: and which one has a problem that you need to solve?
yuuiubuntu 2017-01-29 22:21:29
OK.Thank you.
Xz 2017-01-29 22:21:31
alkisg: another one is 16GB SanDisk with msdos
Xz 2017-01-29 22:21:37
alkisg: none of them boots
Xz 2017-01-29 22:21:45
alkisg: they are both USB-FUll Ubuntu installation
neopsyche 2017-01-29 22:21:46
thanks alkisg
Delphin 2017-01-29 22:21:48
neopsyche: but looks like I didnt have gadmin-openvpn-client installed
neopsyche 2017-01-29 22:21:58
there ya go Delphin
alkisg 2017-01-29 22:21:58
neopsyche: you're welcome
sirv 2017-01-29 22:22:00
aaran i think it wil work
Xz 2017-01-29 22:22:02
alkisg: I also have 3rd USB stick with USB-live Ubuntu install - and that one boots fine in secure mode
PureVi 2017-01-29 22:22:03
does anyone has a good book info for linux to start ?
aaran 2017-01-29 22:22:12
just a black screen
Xz 2017-01-29 22:22:21
alkisg: I just want to install Ubuntu on USB stick and boot it in secure mode
bazhang 2017-01-29 22:22:22
PureVi, for ubuntu yes
neopsyche 2017-01-29 22:22:29
alkisg: issue future reference https://askubuntu.com/questions/314723/why-is-the-xsession-errors-old-file-so-big
bazhang 2017-01-29 22:22:34
PureVi, for general try ##linux
sirv 2017-01-29 22:22:36
aaran why u need that anyway ?
bazhang 2017-01-29 22:22:42
!manual | PureVi
ubottu 2017-01-29 22:22:42
PureVi: The Ubuntu Manual will help you become familiar with everyday tasks such as surfing the web, listening to music and scanning documents. With an emphasis on easy to follow instructions, it is suitable for all levels of experience. http://ubuntu-manual.org/
aaran 2017-01-29 22:22:47
wanted an animated login screen
alkisg 2017-01-29 22:22:50
Xz: did you install the signed kernels, or the unsigned ones?
bazhang 2017-01-29 22:22:54
!rute | PureVi and this
ubottu 2017-01-29 22:22:54
PureVi and this: documentation is to be found at http://help.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com - General linux documentation: http://www.tldp.org - https://www.andrew.cmu.edu/course/95-799/rute.pdf
Xz 2017-01-29 22:23:11
alkisg: I used default 16.04LTS live image to install
Xz 2017-01-29 22:23:19
alkisg: it never asked, but it asked where to put EFI bootloader
Xz 2017-01-29 22:23:24
alkisg: so I'm assuming it's all signed
PureVi 2017-01-29 22:23:25
thanks
bazhang 2017-01-29 22:23:31
np
yuuiubuntu 2017-01-29 22:23:32
How to be a MOTU?
PureVi 2017-01-29 22:23:34
very friendly
Xz 2017-01-29 22:23:42
alkisg: anywa - it should bring me to grub either way, right?
alkisg 2017-01-29 22:23:44
Xz: does it boot if you disable secure boot?
bazhang 2017-01-29 22:23:48
yuuiubuntu, read tht link I just gave you
Xz 2017-01-29 22:23:51
alkisg: didn't try that
Xz 2017-01-29 22:24:07
alkisg: but what's the point? if I want secure boot long term ?
liu 2017-01-29 22:24:13
hello
liu 2017-01-29 22:24:38
hello
CIclops 2017-01-29 22:24:44
how to set an old ubuntu version as the default system to boot in grub?
alkisg 2017-01-29 22:24:45
Xz: it will allow you to pinpoint the issue
alkisg 2017-01-29 22:24:54
Xz: now you don't even know if it's secure-boot related or not
bazhang 2017-01-29 22:24:57
liu did you have an ubuntu support issue
Xz 2017-01-29 22:25:08
alkisg: true
yuuiubuntu 2017-01-29 22:25:31
I clicked a link, It's jumped to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers
Xz 2017-01-29 22:25:33
alkisg: well, it looks like it's UEFI related
Xz 2017-01-29 22:25:41
alkisg: because UEFI doesn't kick off GRUB
sirv 2017-01-29 22:25:46
aaran i leave everything at default setting if possible
Xz 2017-01-29 22:26:04
alkisg: if secure boot was wrong - I would get to grub and then it would say 'not booting, signature incorrect'
bazhang 2017-01-29 22:26:08
yuuiubuntu, becoming a MOTU is a long term effort, not something done in a short time at all
Xz 2017-01-29 22:26:25
alkisg: also, I can actually boot it right after installation
Xz 2017-01-29 22:26:45
alkisg: I can boot it multiple times until I boot win10 that sits on internal SSD
Xz 2017-01-29 22:26:56
after that, I think win10 overwrites some UEFI variables
yuuiubuntu 2017-01-29 22:27:00
Oh,I don't know that at all!
Xz 2017-01-29 22:27:06
alkisg: and after that I cannot boot my Ubuntu anymore
liu 2017-01-29 22:27:18
where are you
bazhang 2017-01-29 22:27:35
liu hi
sirv 2017-01-29 22:27:37
xz > that suxx big time
bazhang 2017-01-29 22:27:50
liu did you have any ubuntu support questions
kasad 2017-01-29 22:27:53
greetings
alkisg 2017-01-29 22:27:55
Xz: you could check the output of `efibootmgr` before and after you boot win10
Xz 2017-01-29 22:27:56
sirv: oh yes, and funny thing is that I can always boot USB-LIVE version
bazhang 2017-01-29 22:28:00
liu this is ubuntu support
Xz 2017-01-29 22:28:07
alkisg: is efibootmgr efi-shell app?
bazhang 2017-01-29 22:28:27
liu if you want to chat, then please find another channel for that
sirv 2017-01-29 22:28:36
xz maybe it is time to remove windows and never boot it again
Xz 2017-01-29 22:28:49
sirv: it's corporate laptop with corporate build
alkisg 2017-01-29 22:28:52
Xz: it's there in the live cd of ubuntu, but I think you should be able to check the boot sequence in efi shell too...
Xz 2017-01-29 22:28:56
sirv: if I nix that I have nothing to do at work
Xz 2017-01-29 22:29:18
alkisg: my UEFI doesn't have shell enabled I think
sirv 2017-01-29 22:29:20
xz then iam surprised they allowed u to install linux ... just use the live version thenm
Xz 2017-01-29 22:29:25
alkisg: I searched through all of the options
alkisg 2017-01-29 22:29:27
Xz: then try it from the live media
alkisg 2017-01-29 22:29:32
(efibootmgr)
neopsyche 2017-01-29 22:29:33
anyone else been having issues playing files from plugins exodus on kodi in ubuntu 16.04
tech-guy 2017-01-29 22:29:35
nothing else I could try?
Xz 2017-01-29 22:29:41
sirv: I'm trying to install Linux on USB
Xz 2017-01-29 22:29:47
sirv: so they have nothing to say about that
neopsyche 2017-01-29 22:29:47
(standarad kodi from repo)
kasad 2017-01-29 22:29:55
anyone got idea why this my happen: I have one ubuntu-desktop (16.04) with shared folder which is used so other windows ws's can access clients thumbdrives and not screw up their windows boxes which they normally do.. The setup works for months. Now today all of a sudden share is inaccessible
kasad 2017-01-29 22:29:57
any tips?
Xz 2017-01-29 22:30:00
sirv: so it's pretty much like live system, except it's full install
neopsyche 2017-01-29 22:30:21
kasad: perhaps a change in the samba filesystem plugin?
liu 2017-01-29 22:30:43
china
neopsyche 2017-01-29 22:30:46
kasad: especially from windows side? MS possible interference.
bazhang 2017-01-29 22:30:55
!cn | liu
ubottu 2017-01-29 22:30:55
liu: 如欲獲得中文的協助，請輸入 /join #ubuntu-cn 或 /join #ubuntu-tw
kasad 2017-01-29 22:31:13
neopsyche: change like something changed itself, because no one there even know how to do anything other than open that shared folder on desktop
liu 2017-01-29 22:31:31
no
neopsyche 2017-01-29 22:31:33
neopsyche joins ubuntu-cn perhaps a great place to learn to type in chinese :-)
sirv 2017-01-29 22:31:44
xz > ok and if u disconnect the usb when going to boot intio windows ? does it still mess up the instalaation ?
bazhang 2017-01-29 22:32:00
liu again, please find another place to chat, NOT here
raf_ 2017-01-29 22:32:06
weee
kasad 2017-01-29 22:32:15
neopsyche: all windows boxes still see ubuntu box on network, no changes in configuration have been made on any box, (it was sunday, and machines were on, I accessed them remotely and didn't change a thing)
raf_ 2017-01-29 22:32:26
ggg
neopsyche 2017-01-29 22:32:37
kasad: updates
ducasse 2017-01-29 22:32:44
raf_: do that in #test, please
raf_ 2017-01-29 22:32:45
whi?
Xz 2017-01-29 22:32:52
sirv: look, after installing Ubuntu onto USB after it's finished I reboot the laptop and I have new entry in UEFI saying 'ubuntu'. I can boot that multiple times. Now if I just boot win10 from internal SSD (with bitlocker on it) next reboot my 'ubuntu' entry is gone from UEFI.
raf_ 2017-01-29 22:32:58
#test
Xz 2017-01-29 22:33:14
sirv: and also selecting USB from menu doesn't do shit - it just will not let me boot it
liu 2017-01-29 22:33:17
you are computr
Xz 2017-01-29 22:33:34
sirv: if I use USB-LIVE stick it always boots
Hanumaan 2017-01-29 22:34:02
how to get lock icon in gnome-ubuntu?
sirv 2017-01-29 22:34:11
xz maybe it is some corporate security software that removes the entry
Xz 2017-01-29 22:34:23
sirv: I think it is bitlocker
liu 2017-01-29 22:34:33
Where are you all
kasad 2017-01-29 22:34:36
neopsyche: ic, but only I do install updates (manually) and nothing was installed. they just woke me up after working on other problem whole night and I'm flabbergasted
Xz 2017-01-29 22:34:42
sirv: but the thing is that USB-LIVE Ubuntu always boots - I just select USB stick from UEFI menu and it boots
ducasse 2017-01-29 22:34:47
!ot | liu
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Xz 2017-01-29 22:34:54
sirv: and USB-FULL Ubuntu install has that problem
sirv 2017-01-29 22:34:57
but when u can always boot LIVE USB then u should be able to booot any usb
Xz 2017-01-29 22:35:06
sirv: I know
neopsyche 2017-01-29 22:35:07
kasad: auto update on windows machiens?
Xz 2017-01-29 22:35:11
sirv: I'm sure I can boot any USB
Xz 2017-01-29 22:35:26
sirv: it looks like installer did something wrong to EFI partition of USB-FULL stick
Xz 2017-01-29 22:35:38
sirv: when I compare EFI partition of USB-LIVE vs USB-FULL they are different
neopsyche 2017-01-29 22:35:44
gotta run cheerz people
Xz 2017-01-29 22:35:51
sirv: USB-FULL doesn't even have EFI/BOOT/bootx64.efi file
Xz 2017-01-29 22:36:08
sirv: that's the one I'm expecting UEFI kicks off to start booting given entry
kasad 2017-01-29 22:36:45
beopsyche: yes, but there are 6 win boxes, and not on same windows version and they see all other network devices normally, or should I say network is functioning normally for everything, even see's ubuntu box, but not the shared folder
sirv 2017-01-29 22:36:58
xz iam not export at boot issues, often have problems myself booting :) ok and when u try to boot you FULLUSB install, do you get error message ?
Xz 2017-01-29 22:37:11
sirv: no, I get nothing
Xz 2017-01-29 22:37:21
sirv: after selecting USB entry it comes back to selection menu
Xz 2017-01-29 22:37:27
sirv: like it was empty stick or something
Xz 2017-01-29 22:37:42
sirv: there is no messages
sirv 2017-01-29 22:37:56
xz > and why u need full install ? just use liveusb ...
Xz 2017-01-29 22:37:58
sirv: I looked for debug messages from UEFI, but there is no way in user interace to enable that
liu 2017-01-29 22:38:01
I can not speak english
Xz 2017-01-29 22:38:10
sirv: well, I want full to have proper system
kasad 2017-01-29 22:38:22
neopsyche: I have epson large format printer, epson plotter, 2 xerox machines, 2 ricoh aficio machines, NAS, on that network and everything is functioning normally
Xz 2017-01-29 22:38:27
sirv: USB-live persistent will put rootfs.iso on top of FAT32
bazhang 2017-01-29 22:38:30
liu here is not the place to learn english, try ##english
Xz 2017-01-29 22:38:34
sirv: and do double mount and chroot
Xz 2017-01-29 22:38:41
sirv: that's not super reliable etc.
liu 2017-01-29 22:38:45
5555555555555555555
Xz 2017-01-29 22:38:52
sirv: I would rather have real ext4 partition with journal
Xz 2017-01-29 22:39:09
sirv: worst case I can do USB-live persistent
sirv 2017-01-29 22:39:20
xz or use virtualbox on windows
liu 2017-01-29 22:39:31
piay QQ?
Xz 2017-01-29 22:39:35
sirv: I want separate OS, many reasons
PureVi 2017-01-29 22:39:42
My computer works well but shutdown & reboot doesn't work with GUI. Anyone had experienced similar issue before ?
kasad 2017-01-29 22:39:43
brb whilst I smash my had against the wall, they woke me up after 2 hours of sleep can't think
Xz 2017-01-29 22:39:51
sirv: one of them being VPN/proxy by default
kasad 2017-01-29 22:39:52
s/had/head
Xz 2017-01-29 22:40:10
sirv: only way to browse anonymously is to tunnel
Xz 2017-01-29 22:40:15
sirv: corporate build sucks
sirv 2017-01-29 22:41:13
that is downside working for corporation
Xz 2017-01-29 22:42:06
sirv: so there is this file EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI that exists on LIVE-USB and doesn't exist on FULL-USB
Xz 2017-01-29 22:42:13
sirv: I think that's the reason
sirv 2017-01-29 22:42:15
xz maybe try other distro ?
Xz 2017-01-29 22:42:24
sirv: only ubuntu and fedora support secure boot
sirv 2017-01-29 22:42:32
ok then try to copy the file
Xz 2017-01-29 22:42:36
sirv: tried fedora live already - didn't even have built-in wifi drivers
Xz 2017-01-29 22:42:40
sirv: gave up on that
Xz 2017-01-29 22:42:45
sirv: I don't want project distro
Xz 2017-01-29 22:42:51
sirv: I want OS that will just work out of the box
Xz 2017-01-29 22:43:05
sirv: don't want to spend every day fixing damn OS