nacc 2017-03-07 08:45:22
Menzador: i have no idea why that would be off the top of my head, unfortunately. When on 16.04, had you tsted the 16.04.2 hwe stack?
nacc 2017-03-07 08:45:37
Menzador: or maybe try it from a live usb, even, of 16.04.2
Menzador 2017-03-07 08:45:41
nacc: Yes, I was using the HWE stack
Menzador 2017-03-07 08:45:52
It works off Live images
nacc 2017-03-07 08:45:56
Menzador: so you were on 4.8 ?
nacc 2017-03-07 08:46:01
Menzador: that is very strange
Menzador 2017-03-07 08:46:21
Yep, 4.8.0-xx kernwl
nacc 2017-03-07 08:46:58
Menzador: i would not expect any software changes to change the hw support for your usb or internal keyboard
nacc 2017-03-07 08:47:03
Menzador: beyond the kernel itself
Menzador 2017-03-07 08:47:12
nacc: The problem seems to be Ubuntu-specific. All the devices work in Fedora 25
Menzador 2017-03-07 08:47:30
(which has 4.9.x)
nacc 2017-03-07 08:47:33
Menzador: do things like caps lock or num lock work?
Menzador 2017-03-07 08:47:50
nacc: Nope.
ducasse 2017-03-07 08:47:51
nacc: what about ebdev/libinput?
gabrielAtheos 2017-03-07 08:47:57
nacc: I didn't realize I could run individual commands inside a script as sudo. Thank you.
nacc 2017-03-07 08:48:02
ducasse: i suppose that's true, good point
Menzador 2017-03-07 08:48:05
ducasse: It must be a libinput issue.
nacc 2017-03-07 08:48:13
ducasse: just not familiar with there being regressions like this before
Menzador 2017-03-07 08:48:15
Which is odd.
technocf 2017-03-07 08:48:20
Hello, it is still possible to submit to the free culture showcase for 17.04 and how?
Menzador 2017-03-07 08:48:27
IIRC Fedora uses libinput
ducasse 2017-03-07 08:48:36
technocf: ask in #ubuntu+1
technocf 2017-03-07 08:48:45
ducasse: Okay
ducasse 2017-03-07 08:49:13
Menzador: zesty has switched to libinput as default, i guess you could try that in 16.10
nacc 2017-03-07 08:49:17
ducasse: i would be willing to acccept that for the usb keyboard, maybe; but for the internal keyboard to stop working seems very unlikely
nacc 2017-03-07 08:49:32
Menzador: so a 16.10 live usb environment, the internal keyboard works?
Menzador 2017-03-07 08:50:20
nacc - I'm not sure, I don't have a 16.10 Live image to test
MediocreN 2017-03-07 09:02:35
nacc: how would you run individual commands inside of a script as sudo??
ducasse 2017-03-07 09:03:18
MediocreN: use sudo in the script
MediocreN 2017-03-07 09:03:59
i mean that works, but then i'd have to expect the password prompt too correct?
MediocreN 2017-03-07 09:03:59
was hoping it would work without prompts
MediocreN 2017-03-07 09:03:59
although that'd be super sketch
ducasse 2017-03-07 09:03:59
MediocreN: remember the sudo timeout
ducasse 2017-03-07 09:03:59
MediocreN: you can also allow a user to run certain commands without entering a password
MediocreN 2017-03-07 09:04:33
how so?
OerHeks 2017-03-07 09:04:39
new firefox 52 is available in updates
ducasse 2017-03-07 09:04:58
that was quick.
OerHeks 2017-03-07 09:05:16
only waiting for zesty .. https://launchpad.net/firefox/+packages
MediocreN 2017-03-07 09:05:22
it just from adding their name in visudo?
MediocreN 2017-03-07 09:05:31
with the nopasswd option
ducasse 2017-03-07 09:06:15
MediocreN: basically. you probably want to restrict it to those commands, though
ducasse 2017-03-07 09:06:49
MediocreN: but if this all runs in a few minutes you will only get one password prompt
OerHeks 2017-03-07 09:06:53
annoying changenaming all day, crazyed/Guest185
MediocreN 2017-03-07 09:07:44
ducasse: shouldnt take more than 30sec tbh
bigbadman 2017-03-07 09:07:51
i installed sagemath, but where is the SAGEROOT located? nacc
ducasse 2017-03-07 09:08:19
bigbadman: he told you not to ask specific people
bigbadman 2017-03-07 09:09:23
oh forgot
bigbadman 2017-03-07 09:09:36
ok, where is the docs located on ubuntu for sagemath?
bigbadman 2017-03-07 09:09:50
it's not here in /usr/share/docs/sagmath..
OerHeks 2017-03-07 09:10:40
bigbadman, pdfs are on http://www.sagemath.org/help.html ?
OerHeks 2017-03-07 09:11:06
from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SAGE#Getting_Started_With_Sage
CrazyTux 2017-03-07 09:12:03
Do u guys think Mint is a secure OS?
MediocreN 2017-03-07 09:12:12
Nothing is secure
scottjl 2017-03-07 09:12:24
as long as you wrap your computer in aluminum foil.
OerHeks 2017-03-07 09:12:45
CrazyTux, nope, they willl tell you why in #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org
DouglasK 2017-03-07 09:12:53
scottjl, I find better security by immersing it in salt water. I find that no one is able to get into it then.
MediocreN 2017-03-07 09:12:55
or from the new wiki-leak files
CrazyTux 2017-03-07 09:13:01
there were some security concerns, I think.
scottjl 2017-03-07 09:13:08
DouglasK: that's a great idea!
bigbadman 2017-03-07 09:13:42
where is SAGEROOT located?
CrazyTux 2017-03-07 09:13:43
guys, I am a newbie. Need guidance from u.
scottjl 2017-03-07 09:14:04
CrazyTux: do you have information you think the cia is interested in?
bigbadman 2017-03-07 09:14:10
OerHeks: where is the SAGEROOT location?
bigbadman 2017-03-07 09:14:31
i use ubuntu-upstream-binary-full
OerHeks 2017-03-07 09:14:35
bigbadman, sure you can find that in the manuals?
bigbadman 2017-03-07 09:14:47
no there is no manual for sage
CrazyTux 2017-03-07 09:14:54
yes. I have some highly classified info on my laptop. lol.
Pici 2017-03-07 09:15:09
bigbadman: How did you install it?
OerHeks 2017-03-07 09:15:20
bigbadman, pdfs are on http://www.sagemath.org/help.html
MediocreN 2017-03-07 09:15:21
then its probably secure enough, as long as you dont have any unneccessary ports open
OerHeks 2017-03-07 09:15:28
from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SAGE#Getting_Started_With_Sage
elichai2 2017-03-07 09:15:41
isn't this a problem with RBF?
elichai2 2017-03-07 09:15:41
txNew.nLockTime = chainActive.Height();
Pici 2017-03-07 09:15:56
OerHeks: so.. via a PPA
CrazyTux 2017-03-07 09:15:58
ok
OerHeks 2017-03-07 09:16:07
Pici, it is in our repos too ..
DouglasK 2017-03-07 09:16:15
CrazyTux, the gist of it is this: No consumer OS is fully secure out of the box. even air gap security can be at least partly beaten. The question is how secure you need it. For example, a system running internet servers generally needs better security than one that will never be online.
elichai2 2017-03-07 09:16:16
(making every transaction with locktime and max_int-1)
CrazyTux 2017-03-07 09:16:46
ok.
Pici 2017-03-07 09:16:49
OerHeks: Not the package that the url lists
MediocreN 2017-03-07 09:16:56
Shit, no OS is fully secure entirely imo
MediocreN 2017-03-07 09:16:58
even non consumer
MediocreN 2017-03-07 09:17:09
most are still using public kernals
scottjl 2017-03-07 09:17:23
most people don't have data worth hacking for
MediocreN 2017-03-07 09:17:32
^
MediocreN 2017-03-07 09:17:34
truth
MediocreN 2017-03-07 09:17:42
come take my reaction gifs!
MediocreN 2017-03-07 09:17:45
i dare ya
CrazyTux 2017-03-07 09:17:53
I asked it because somebody here said that Mint doesn't apply security patches as diligently as they should be. I don't know what that means and how it affects the end users like me.
mantise 2017-03-07 09:17:55
how do i create my partitions for an install, if i want to be able to make a fresh install sometime ? a big /home partition, where i store data that wont be deleted, when i remove and reinstall ubuntu ?
ducasse 2017-03-07 09:18:39
CrazyTux: we don't support mint.
OerHeks 2017-03-07 09:19:12
!enter | MediocreN
ubottu 2017-03-07 09:19:27
MediocreN: Please try and keep as much of your info as possible on ONE line - easier to follow for everyone.
MediocreN 2017-03-07 09:20:00
can do.
scottjl 2017-03-07 09:20:42
CrazyTux: for an end user like you, mint is still more secure than windows.
CrazyTux 2017-03-07 09:21:14
ok
DouglasK 2017-03-07 09:21:14
Yup.
Pici 2017-03-07 09:21:14
Keep in mind that we don't support Mint here, only Ubuntu.
CrazyTux 2017-03-07 09:21:14
btw, I didn't get any solution for that problem. Xubuntu 16.10 freezing randomly
mantise 2017-03-07 09:21:14
CrazyTux: fresh install ?
CrazyTux 2017-03-07 09:21:44
I am on Mint now
MediocreN 2017-03-07 09:21:55
oh
ducasse 2017-03-07 09:21:57
MediocreN: we've covered just about everything, this is not our first round with him to say the least.
MediocreN 2017-03-07 09:22:13
gotcha, no chance alt+sys+F unfreezes
pavlos 2017-03-07 09:22:17
CrazyTux, for mint, check !mint which tells you the irc channel to ask questions about mint
OerHeks 2017-03-07 09:22:46
MediocreN, CrazyTux is a daily guest, he is playing with you
latino30 2017-03-07 09:22:58
have some of this or all been fixed in ubuntu https://tails.boum.org/security/Numerous_security_holes_in_2.10/index.en.html
CrazyTux 2017-03-07 09:23:09
No. Because of that problem in Xubuntu, I am compelled to use Mint. Otherwise I prefer Xubuntu or Ubuntu Mate.
CrazyTux 2017-03-07 09:23:36
No. I am not here to play. I am just a newbie trying to learn.
morsnowski 2017-03-07 09:24:23
CrazyTux, ubuntu mate beats mint. since that distro is official I'm back to ubuntu
MediocreN 2017-03-07 09:25:54
latino30: its fixed in tails 2.11, doesnt matter what version of ubuntu your running
CrazyTux 2017-03-07 09:26:11
is Mate better and more advanced than Xubuntu?
CrazyTux 2017-03-07 09:26:24
I'll reinstall either of them.
MediocreN 2017-03-07 09:26:26
but inside of ubuntu im sure they are still open, so probably not ;)
scottjl 2017-03-07 09:26:36
shouldn't be, you're just using a different desktop
latino30 2017-03-07 09:26:42
MediocreN, I'm asking about the programs that are also used in ubuntu are fixed as well...im not asking about tails itself
scottjl 2017-03-07 09:27:16
no reason you can't install mate onto a xbuntu installation and vice versa.
MediocreN 2017-03-07 09:27:33
check my 2nd comment, probably not tbh
k1l_ 2017-03-07 09:28:33
latino30: ubuntu.com/usn and use the CVE search
latino30 2017-03-07 09:28:35
MediocreN, k
CrazyTux 2017-03-07 09:28:35
ok. Does installing Mate DE on Ubuntu or Xubuntu mean I'll be using Ubuntu Mate"
ducasse 2017-03-07 09:28:35
CrazyTux: "is x better than y?" - stop asking that!
CrazyTux 2017-03-07 09:28:35
?
scottjl 2017-03-07 09:28:35
CrazyTux: your desktop environment on top of ubuntu is just a program running, you can install multiple environments (just not run them all at once, well usually)
MediocreN 2017-03-07 09:28:35
i3 ftw
xiusfist 2017-03-07 09:28:35
so im heading to the store to buy a usb drive to install ubuntu for the first time. what size should I get?
CrazyTux 2017-03-07 09:28:35
ok. Understood. Won't ask it again.
ducasse 2017-03-07 09:28:35
CrazyTux: and stop this constant reinstalling of desktops.
k1l_ 2017-03-07 09:28:35
latino30: and if its already fixed in debian the chances are high its fixed at ubuntu at the same time since the security team shares work with debian.
scottjl 2017-03-07 09:28:35
personally i'm a i3 kinda guy
MediocreN 2017-03-07 09:28:35
same
OerHeks 2017-03-07 09:28:35
xiusfist, 2 gb will do
ducasse 2017-03-07 09:28:35
CrazyTux: if you want to play with it, at least stop wasting our time with it.
latino30 2017-03-07 09:28:41
k1l_, nice..so if its not fixed it should be then..thanks
xiusfist 2017-03-07 09:28:43
OerHeks: oh cool that's the cheepest one. thanks
morsnowski 2017-03-07 09:28:50
OerHeks, OK but would you actually buy a 2gig stick/
latino30 2017-03-07 09:28:52
soon i mean
CrazyTux 2017-03-07 09:28:58
No. I come here only when I a problem that I need a solution for.
MediocreN 2017-03-07 09:29:04
xiusfist: tbh, buy a 4gb+.
k1l_ 2017-03-07 09:29:10
latino30: if i said: if you are curious, check the CVE tracker
MediocreN 2017-03-07 09:29:20
its like an extra dollar and if for some reason you need to make a windows usb, 2gb wont cut it
OerHeks 2017-03-07 09:29:37
xiusfist, http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04.2/ >> ubuntu-16.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso 1.4G
xiusfist 2017-03-07 09:29:59
OerHeks: ok but is that file compressed ?
OerHeks 2017-03-07 09:31:19
xiusfist, the smalles might be 8 gb now, in shops :-(
xiusfist 2017-03-07 09:33:33
OerHeks: come to think of it, it might just be cheeper to buy it off of their official website https://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=1206
MediocreN 2017-03-07 09:33:59
i mean
MediocreN 2017-03-07 09:34:03
i guess, but why?
OerHeks 2017-03-07 09:34:03
xiusfist, you can, it has ubuntu brand on it, nice
MediocreN 2017-03-07 09:34:11
Will take you a week to receive rather than 1hr to make your usb stick tho
xiusfist 2017-03-07 09:34:59
MediocreN: yeah you are right.
MediocreN 2017-03-07 09:35:16
Granted, it goes kinda look badass
morsnowski 2017-03-07 09:37:07
OerHeks, yes 6 years ago I wouldn't have asked but does it still make sense to buy 2gig sticks?
scottjl 2017-03-07 09:37:18
can you still buy 2g sticks?
morsnowski 2017-03-07 09:37:38
but then that is not a useful discussion really
OerHeks 2017-03-07 09:37:48
morsnowski, do if you can, for the iso.
morsnowski 2017-03-07 09:39:06
OerHeks, I personally abstain from anything less than 32gig.
Mongoose12 2017-03-07 09:39:25
Jesus! Those Google picture reCAPTCHA things really piss me off. Anyhow... I'm done with Windows and "want" to move to Ubuntu. In the past, every single time I've tried to install Ubuntu, I've ended up with weird graphical glitches and/or text errors flashing by before I can finally login. Things seem to work, but that has always annoyed me. What am I doing wrong?
bigode 2017-03-07 09:39:25
I did save a ubuntu desktop version on a flash drive using unetbootin but when my computer boots it start by hdd still.
bigode 2017-03-07 09:39:41
Any idea what is goin on please?
ducasse 2017-03-07 09:39:57
!nomodeset | Mongoose12 maybe this
ubottu 2017-03-07 09:39:57
Mongoose12 maybe this: A common kernel (boot)parameter is nomodeset, which is needed for some graphic cards that otherwise boot into a black screen or show corrupted splash screen. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 on how to use this parameter
scottjl 2017-03-07 09:40:01
is your hdd higher priority in your bios?
Mongoose12 2017-03-07 09:40:26
ducasse: Hmm. Let me read.
bigode 2017-03-07 09:40:43
scottjl: no. First is USB-FDD
ducasse 2017-03-07 09:40:47
Mongoose12: note: that was a *wild* guess.
bigode 2017-03-07 09:41:00
scottjl: then it comes DVD and then HDD
Mongoose12 2017-03-07 09:41:27
ducasse: And a 7yo thread. :P
ducasse 2017-03-07 09:41:47
Mongoose12: info is still much the same today
morsnowski 2017-03-07 09:41:47
Mongoose12, once you know what HW has been used for your computer you can check whether it is compatible. I have an laptop that requires me to manually screw with the wifi settings to make it work
Mongoose12 2017-03-07 09:43:10
Oh, God. My skin is already itching and I haven't even started.
Mongoose12 2017-03-07 09:43:10
Why do I torture myself with computers?
morsnowski 2017-03-07 09:43:10
buy a mac
pavlos 2017-03-07 09:43:10
bigode, possibly the usb needs to be re-written ...
ducasse 2017-03-07 09:43:10
Mongoose12: get an ipad instead :-P
Mongoose12 2017-03-07 09:43:10
morsnowski: How would that help?
Mongoose12 2017-03-07 09:43:20
ducasse: Complete surveillance.
morsnowski 2017-03-07 09:43:21
that comes fully working with all you can ask for out of the box
bigode 2017-03-07 09:43:26
pavlos: what do you mean?
Mongoose12 2017-03-07 09:43:31
morsnowski: Complete surveillance.
xiusfist 2017-03-07 09:43:46
morsnowski: so wait do you mean that there is actualy something physicaly wrong with your wifi card? because I have a story for you then
bigode 2017-03-07 09:44:01
pavlos: I did it twice already, first time on a Mac and after at Windows.
morsnowski 2017-03-07 09:44:03
well then stop whining, every choice has it trade offs
k1l_ 2017-03-07 09:44:21
Mongoose12: some video cards need special treatment. that is for most brand new cards or very very old cards.
morsnowski 2017-03-07 09:44:30
xiusfist, no it's just the drivers are not part of the standard distro
pavlos 2017-03-07 09:44:42
bigode, you installed an iso using uunetbootin or disk creator, right?
Mongoose12 2017-03-07 09:44:44
"Whining"? I wouldn't call complete surveillance a "trade off". Haha.
bigode 2017-03-07 09:44:49
pavlos: I even used F12 to choose the boot device by hand.
Mongoose12 2017-03-07 09:45:02
k1l_: I understand. GTX 970 right now.
xiusfist 2017-03-07 09:45:34
Mongoose12: oh well thats not that bad then, i acutaly had a broken wifi card that would jam my entire network when I would turn it on.
bigode 2017-03-07 09:45:34
pavlos: yes, I did installed from a .iso version using unetbootin
morsnowski 2017-03-07 09:45:34
Mongoose12, I think "Mongoose12> Why do I torture myself with computers?" qualifies
k1l_ 2017-03-07 09:45:38
Mongoose12: that might need nomodeset on install and first boot. but after installing the nvidia driver from ubuntu that should work right